And I think that by going through three days of reality research at this camp, we figured out what it’s like to live without Gregorian time. I want to orient time on my own. When I’m hungry, I eat; when I’m tired, I sleep; if I’m antsy, I exercise or I paint or I make something. And I think if I can live in that way, according to what is really aligned for my energy, then I’m actually able to use time differently.
Toby: Can you say more about magic, market, money, three M words—how do they fit together? How did you come up with this title for this theme?
Jared: Well after day one, all we thought of was making our own meditation club or our own book club. You can actually book club anything. You could have a book club but only for objects, you know. A book club that is not a book club at all, but it’s fulfilling our needs of ingesting something and talking about it.
Jared: There were three of us that thought of this Camp Air idea, Michael, Ireland and I. And we all came with our own references. My personal reference was Black Mountain College. I don’t know that much about it, but there were a few pillars that I really liked, such as seeing art as a way of life. John Andrew Rice said “our central and consistent effort is to teach method, not content, to emphasize process, not results.” And that is essentially what Fresh Air is. It’s an attempt to catch to the wind. And when you try to catch the wind, you can’t. But between trying and doing it and failing and trying and doing and failing again, you learn something. And I think that our methodology is how we share our methodology of cultivating collective tools and understanding the architecture of thought.
Toby: What’s next for Fresh Air? Jared: I don’t know. Speaking of social forms, a lot of people you’re interviewing are creating their own institutions. I’m trying to understand what’s needed in a home for me. How do commerce and spirituality meet in a way that is artful? We see many examples of spirituality-laundering. That’s not my interest. I’m interested in—how do I remake church, or the dinner table, so that we feel some kind of safety? We’ve done an installation, and a really large
